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" starts right now. >>> all right. thanks, rand i. see you at the top of the hour. the economy is getting better, and that changes everything for the republicans. good morning, everyone. i'm christine romans. for four years the gop blasted the obama economy. he made it worse, they said. his policies were ruinous. the recovery wasn't too slow because of the severity of the financial crisis, no, it was because of the man at the top. three reasons now why every day that argument by the gop is harder to make. first, the economy is picking up speed. gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the u.s. economy grew 2.7% in the third quarter, much better than the 2% originally report. next, housing is healing. home prices jumped 3.6% in the third quarter, the biggest year-over-year increase in more than two years, according to the s&p case schiller index and energy is booming. new drilling methods are generating jobs and growth. 1.7 million jobs created, 2.5 million jobs creed up over the next year and added up americans see better times ahead, why consume are confidence is at a four-year hi
to work on what we all agree to, which is let's keep middle-class taxes low. that's what our economy needs. that's what the american people deserve. >> white house also turning to social media has a twitter hash tag to spread its message. >> today i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress. write them an e-mail, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the hash tag #my2k. not y2k, my2k. >> i think that's going to push us into the promised land. >> i was incredibly encouraged. i had been depressed and then i said this could actually get done with a hash tag. >> you're very pessimistic. we heard erskine bowles saying yesterday, he thinks it's less than a one in three chance, of course, co-author of the simpson-bowles plan. >> i was in washington earlier this week and met with a lot of these characters. the bottom line is there have been a lot of meetings, most of them between people w
to make the economy move forward. i don't think any politician wants to have on their watch to see this economy going into another recession and to avert that from happening both sides have to come together and reach a deal. markets trying to price and -- is ot impossible to sell off if we continue to see this uncertainty, if we had those key technical levels it is a buying opportunity for big investors and the public as well. dave: i was talking to a trader in london earlier today, he was saying europe has tried, france and england and spain raised taxes and this is not created any economic growth. some people looking at china, despite the talk about how china's economy is slowing down, there may be interesting places to put your money over there. do you agree? >> i completely agree but don't think that is directly in china but there are some great u.s. companies that make revenues to the rest of the world and -- proctor and gamble, all of our tobacco companies, we have brands like starbucks, the rest of the world aspires to end huge middle-class being created all over the world
over the last four years, there is progress in some key sectors of our economy. we've seen housing finally begin to bounce back for the first time, and that obviously has an enormous ripple affect throughout the economy. consumer confidence is as high as it's been. many of you over the last two, three years have experienced record profits or near record profits and have a lot of money where you're prepared to invest in plants, and equipment, and hire folks. obviously globally the economy is still soft. europe is going to be in the doldrums for quite some time. asia is not charging forward and some of the emerging markets are not charging forward as quickly as they were maybe a few years ago. but i think what all of you recognize and many of you have told me is that everybody is looking to america, because they understand that if we're able to put forward a long-term agenda for growth and prosperity that is broad based here in the united states, that confidence will not just increase here in the united states, it will increase globe balance leave. globally and i think we can get the
that's what he's trying to do. it's hard to see where the upside is for the president if the economy slips into recession, talking about 2013 having no growth would be horrible. >> yeah, so, it's a little hard to see what the game is. as kim was mentioning, the president wants these tax increases. it seems to me we're going to go through this sort of scorpion dance the rest of the year. what did the president campaign on? what was the one thing, i think most people would say he campaigned on, that's raising tax rates on the wealthiest, the two top rates, that's the thing i think is on the table and-- >>, but the republicans put that on the table. >> and the republicans put that on the table the a through deductions and-- >> yeah. but they're willing to put that on the table. the question is, what does the president then give republicans in return, if anything? >> well, i think that's what the republicans position should be. say we have committed what you campaigned on. if you're not willing to talk about reducing spending, they are we're not going to be able to do a deal with you. an
like republicans want? >> here is what is at stake. economy is on the brink potentially of going to recession. that will have the worst impact on the deficit that anything will. we got to make sure that the economy continuebes to grow. that is the problem here. i know democrats have this blood lust to raise taxes on supposedly rich people, which are really small business people. but it is not going to do anything to grow the economy. here is what president obama needs. he has to make sure the economy grows. he will be a two-term jimmy carter if the economy goes back in recession and we can't pull ourselves out of this thing. >> eric: i heard you laugh, martin on the "two-term jimmy carter" line. >> he doesn't want to be a two-term george w. bush that took us in a steep recession. >> hey, you are the one with the bush tax cut. >> this can be worked out. everybody knows that. you can raise rates a point or two, that is not going to be end of the world. republicans understand that. let's get through with the fear we have had a couple of weeks of theater and let's get down to serious
for the american economy and says all the wrong signals to us signals to the market and international investors. also the demonstration of the sheer breathtaking arrogance of the obama presidency. this is a set of demands from an imperial white house. that simply is not open to any form of discussion at all according to these latest developments. this is a deeply worrying. the united states is on the edge of the economic abyss. the $16 trillion debt. so far there are no serious proposals whatsoever coming from the obama administration with regard to cutting this level of debt that the united states knows. america is heading for an economic catastrophe. it is a slow-moving sort of trained crash. gerri: i think that train is being of every single day. to you. imperial presidency. not only imperial. it's on hiatus. the talks have been outsourced. the very man who negotiated the biggest bailout of banks in u.s. history. i think his choice of a negotiator is even problematic at this point. >> i completely agree. if you think back to the start of the first administration, he had his problems getting
in the economy that would indicate that the job market is strong enough to actually bring down that overall unemployment rate. earlier this fall weekly jobless claims had dipped below that line, right before the election, and now they seem to be creeping above it, 393,000 is the number that we're hat today. it's interesting to note that we're going to get an overall unemployment number coming out. some people think based on this number that that could go back above 8% as well. bill: we were so keane on these numbers and waiting for them to tell us what they would tell us about the economy, and how voters were thinking and feeling and how it would play out in the election. a lot of people are now saying hey man, wrist the attention on the numbers. job number one is how to maybe the economy stronger. guess who is coming to the white house for lunch? >> mr. president you're entitled as a president to your own aeu own airplane and own house but not to your own facts. bill: those are topics that will likely not come up today. martha: peanut butter and honey is mitt romney's sandwich. we'll see i
-breaking corporate profits show the economy is well on the road to recovery. what does it mean for workers? i'll give you some numbers and sam stein will be along with the conversation. . >>> and world leaders say farewell to hillary clinton with a ringing endorsement. you'll want to see this video. michael tomasky on whether hillary clinton will make a run for the white house. share your thoughts on facebook and on twitter. we're coming right back. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-cost printing. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. republicans are doing a lot of maneuvering on the fiscal cliff. president obama and the democrats have put forward a plan relying mostly on raising more revenue from the wealthiest 2% of the country. republicans rely mostly on cuts affecting the middle class and the poor and
starting to hurt the economy, do you agree? >> you see that with the investment spending, and it can only get worse as we get closer to the end of the year as everybody holds their breath in the economy collectively, we have big problems. lori: one thing was the incredible amount of government spending especially on defense. one of the biggest issues is concerning. >> the issue really is what happened in the current quarter and going into the beginning of next year. other types of discretionary spending is as well. the total is $600 billion, the economy simply cannot withstand that sort of shock. we saw a week underlining detail report. know the economy will be soft in the current quarter due in part to hurricane sandy but also the slower trends in the various components. lori: 1.7 is the consensus estimate of expansion, what are you thinking? >> we're forecasting 1.3%. in the ballpark of 1.7 before hurricane made landfall. more of a ceiling than a floor at this point. lori: anything good to look forward to? >> things don't look all that bad next year. one of the key reasons when next you
was spent on other forms of products and services in our economy, the return, the economic growth from that would be immensely higher, they talk about not making the money from a small amount of players. the new york times, reports that 80% of lottery money comes from lottery players. it is a predatory business, and it is a deception. >> there is one exception i would take to that. here is the facts, is that lotteries in states began to do lotteries because people have a desire. we do $68 million in lottery business in fiscal year 2012, more than the movie and music industry combined. we have nearly 70% of people playing the lottery at some point in time. if we didn't have state lotteries, the integrity is above reproach, but if we didn't have it. people would find ways to gain, they would do it illegally. the mafia, that was the problem, people took over, as you look at the future and things going on with that. that is important, integrity, and oversight, to make sure you don't over-promote things. >> a fascinating debate, thank you for joining us. we'll have to take a break, and back
are willing to make sure we don't go over this fiscal cliff but at the same time don't harm this economy. what has to happen here if the president shows a little leadership we are willing to stay in the room and stay here and we are willing to get this done. that's why you saw a proposal that is raoeubl reasonable that meets his criteria. >> reporter: steny hoyer said in the next few days we will see substantive movement in private to get this done. jenna: we'll continue to watch the play-by-play, mike, thank you. jon: right now we are continuing to await a speech by former president george w. bush, the speakers are taking to the podium there to get ready to introduce the former president. he is set to address a conference there in dallas, where he will spotlight the positive impact of immigration on u.s. economic growth. this as the g.o.p. looks to attract more hiss to the party. meantime mr. bush's father, former president george h.w. bush is spending another day in the hospital being treated for bronchitis and a lingering cough. we told you about that last week when we first found out that
over $250,000 paying a higher tax. they have confidence in this economy, perhaps the reason that your party saw success in the election. what do you make of this notion that, again, some republicans say the president doesn't get small business or economic growth somehow? >> well, i think the american people roundly rejected that. they think the president gets it. that's why they voted for the president. more than that, economists think the president gets it. this really is a balanced approach, and i don't think any credible economist will tell you we can simply cut our way out of the current deficits and debt. we need new revenues, and where should they come from? should they come from a middle class or working families that have really struggled or had setbacks in the last decade, or should it come from families that have done very well and can be asked to do more? if you look at the prosperity we enjoyed during the clinton administration when the tax rates were higher on upper income families, that certainly didn't kill economic growth. we have incredible economic growth during the
. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple ways this could go. one is to land in the middle. you have $800 billion and $1.6 trillion. the other is for one side to say no deal. we'll let you go over the fiscal cliff and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: at the last minute i think there will be a deal. i think republicans will retreat and say okay, you can have higher tax rates but only on people making a half million dollars a year. the president will say, okay, but we'll only discuss -- we'll think about, we'll promise spending cuts in the future. it will be a way of kicking the can down the road. martha: charles krauthammer have a will the more leverage than republicans realize. the president does not want us to go into a recession. we'll talk about that coming up. bill: democrats are all about tax hike and republicans argue massive spending programs like medicare and social security must be dealt with in any kind of deal if you want to bring count
care? >> well, we should care because the tax on capital has a major impact on the economy overall, on productivity growth and, therefore, on standards of living. the way that you have a more prosperous economy, is you need to have incentive to encourage capital formation, to encourage investment, to increase worker productivity -- megyn: what are people going to do with their money? so if i had otherwise invested in stocks and gotten dividends, but now -- because i like getting 15% taxes as opposed to, you know, 40% taxes on them -- what am i going to do with my money now instead of invest it in stocks? >> well, on the margin a lot of people will choose consumption. if you can spend your money and enjoy it today versus having more in the future, anytime you reduce the return on investment, you give people more of an incentive to say, the heck with it -- megyn: well, isn't that good for the economy, consumption? >> well, i don't think so. we've got a real problem with declining business investment, and if you don't have expansion on the supply side, it's hard to have the productivi
, there is progress in some key sectors of our economy. we've seen housing finally begin to bounce back for the first time and that has an enormous ripple effect throughout the economy. consumer confidence is as high as it's been. many of you over the last two or three years have experienced record profits or near record profits and have a lot of money in plants and equipment and hire folks. obviously globally, the economy is still soft. europe is going to be in the doldrums for quite some time, asia is not charging forward and some of the emerging markets are not charging forward as quickly as they were maybe a few years ago, but i think all of you recognized and many of you told me is that everybody's looking to america, because they understand if we're able to put forward a long-term agenda for growth and prosperity that's broad-based here in the united states, that confidence will not just increase here in the united states, it will increase globally and we can get the virtuous cycle that i think all of us have been waiting for and want to see. what's holding us back right now ironically is a lot
, that is good news, you saw growth in economy and in the last few moments we moved higher and we are positive for the week. when you check it out and industrials we are up 44 points and most of those names on the dow are in the green, names like hewlett-packard and caterpillar and bank of america and united healthcare doing well. the fiscal cliff headline after headline continues to be in the forefront and on everybody's mind that this is what we are seeing, a decent market and the u.s. dollar being weaker today has been a factor in the strength we are seeing as well. connell: treasury secretary tim geithner meeting with congressional leaders and doing so as we speak. dagen: peter barnes live from capitol hill. peter: treasury secretary tim geithner arriving at our or so ago to hold meetings with top congressional leaders. senate democratic leader harry reid, now he is meeting with house speaker john boehner, that meeting just getting underway, after that meeting with senate republican leader mitch mcconnell and house democratic leader nancy pelosi and with the president and republicans on ra
-created recession hurt the world economy. the paper went on to school lawmakers here saying that the u.s. should act like a responsible power. oh, boy. of course, china's interest is purely self-interest here. the last thing he needs it needs is a slowdown in consumer spending. after all, where would the chinese and their economy be if it weren't for america? that's right. a lot more to come during this hour. what this tax fairness mean? i will break down the numbers. folks like warren buffett don't want to talk about this. and aaa and unusual warning about a blend of gasoline. the federal government wants you to start using the gas. but will it damage your car? aaa auto says yes. we have answers ahead. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 ml350 for $599 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. at your local i have obligatns. cute tobligations, but obligatio.ing. i needo rethink the co of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core
're going to talk about the fiscal cliff, we're going to talk about the global economy. we're going to talk about the civil war in syria. we'll talk about the royal baby coming soon. first we want to get right to zoraida sambolin for an update on the day's top stories. >> soledad, the fiscal cliff debacle, with 28 days remaining before drastic tax hikes and spending cuts take effect, a republican spending plan has been rejected by the white house. brianna keilar is live from washington. what now, brianna? >> well, right now it's about the pressure building and the clock kicking, zoraida. as house republicans in the white house try to ultimately broker a deal between two very different plans. house speaker john boehner's counteroffer, if you take a look at the headlines from this $800 billion in what would be savings from tax reform. so that is new tax revenue. but not done by increasing income tax rate on the wealthiest. but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medica
wealthy americans are the ones who are creating the jobs and helping to turn this economy around. that remains the big sticking point. those bush era tax cuts, white house saying it should be extended for middle class americans but not for those upper income americans, carol. >> how seriously should we take these negotiations? both sides are negotiating in public, not the greatest way to negotiate in the world, right? >> reporter: right. you sort of have to take it based on the information they give you. there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes. we've seen this play out over the last four years where both sides will sort of throw these sharp elbows publicly, but then they do hammer something out. we do have to take it seriously. you have to get a sense that both sides understand the serious nature of this fiscal cliff and they do want a deal to get done. so they are looking for ways to find some kind of agreement. they are looking at outside groups today as well. the president will meet with half a dozen governors, arkansas, minnesota, utah, wisconsin, republican governor fro
the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it will hurt small businesses, hurt our economy. >> so let's bring in the political panel on this topic for today. erin mcpike back with us and david goodfriend, democratic strategist and contributor. thank you for sticking around. let's bring in the element of tom cole, a republican of oklahoma. doesn't get more red than oklahoma. let's play what he said regarding support and passing the middle class tax cut. >> in my view, we all agree we won't raise taxes on people making less than $250,000. we should take them out of this discussion right now. >> what is the issue with that? >> well, what congressman cole has really shown is that there's an imminent amount of good logic and sense in preserving the current tax rates for 98% of americans for a lot of reasons. one of which is the gdp dependent on consumer spending. 0% of the economy is consumer spending. if you take $2,000 on average out of pockets of consumers, it's going to hurt the economy so right away you have a low tax good economic rational behind it but there are politics
that they so desire. isn't the real danger, the impact it has on the economy, throws us back into a recession by taking this money out of the economy? >> everybody remembers very well the ugly process we went through in august of 2011 in raising the debt ceiling, and what happened immediately around the raising of that debt ceiling. we saw the stock markets crash. let me tell you if we go off this fiscal cliff -- and i put the blame squarely on the president. he's been awol on this issue for the last three years. now he's coming in and waving a flag, trying to take the glory, put the burden on republicans. republicans have been willing to negotiate. if he doesn't come forward and provide real leadership, we go off the cliff, the economic disaster that we're going to see is going to be squarely on the shoulders of this president. >> sean: i would like to adopt something like the mac penny plan. cut one penny out of every dollar washington spends, and we move to a balanced budget. with baseline budgeting, you have increases every year. can you ever get rid of baseline budgeting? >> if any corpo
impact on the entire economy. obviously, toys and other things, as well. >> the president's plan calls for raising the tax rates on americans earning $250,000 or more. most republicans remain dead set against the president's plan. >> that's true. i think, though, we have to take a look at the larger context. the larger context is we have a math problem. we have $2.5 trillion that we're taking in every year on the federal government and $3.5 trillion that we're spending. so, we're going to need a balanced approach of both revenue and spending cuts to teat there. so, that's what the president has been talking about and certainly something i can support. >> "the wall street journal" today senior administration officials say the white house not making any new offers until republicans change their opposition to raising top tax rates in this country. as a businessman, that would be directly affected by an impasse like that, as would millions of americans. how do you feel about that? >> how i feel, i'm 100% confident we'll resolve the fiscal cliff pretty much a day or two before christmas. wh
. cliffhanger. i don't know. if the economy falls in the forest and no one is here to hear it is there a sound. yesterday the republicans blame the democrats and the democrats blame the republicans. john had a exclusive with chris wallace. >> brian: chris wallace sat down with jone boehner. >> steve: here is mr. boehner describing the impression at the moment of what tim geithner was trying to sell him. >> i was ghasted and i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i never seen like it we have 7 weeks before election day andepped of the year. three of those weeks are wasted with this nonsense. >> y are talking about roughly. timothy depite gite saying we'll raise taxes 1.6 trillion and washington will increase taxes on capitol gains and we would like to say we like the power to raise the debt ceiling any time we want for the executive branch which is unconstitutional. >> steve: it is not 39 or 35 percent. all nonstarters in the world of negotiation. >> gretchen: two things to discuss. why is it tim geithner doing the discussions inted of the president of the united states. let me know if
hikes and spending cuts, we are getting a new snapshot of our economy. the number of americans seeking unemployment benefits fell last week by 23,000, but the total, 393,000, is still way above where we need to be to bring the unemployment rate down. in fact, our four week unemployment average went up to over 405,000 last week. the report for the whole month is out a week from tomorrow. >>> meantime, a new report finds that the number of americans on food stamps spiked by about 10% last year. that means about 15 million american households got food stamps in 2011, and it is even more profound when you look at what america has and has not created over the past decade. look at this chart. private employment is the line at the very bottom. it's gone down. this is going all the way back to 2002, i think it is? yeah, so look at this. you can see there starts to be a dramatic change around '08, '09. so private employment down, government employment slightly up, medicaid enrollment has soared -- that's what you get that helps folks without a lot of means -- and look at the top line. that repr
few years, but it's also the case. if you look at the simpson-bowles report, the rivlin-dmin economy report, the gang of six and crapo and johanns, all say we need a deal that includes $4 trillion in debt reduction over ten years, and about a third of it coming from revenues. you got revenues at 15% or just over that of gdp, and spending at 24%, and you got to bring the spending down, but you got to bring revenues up. frankly, we're not going to have a deal. gerri: it's the object of debate, debated every night here. >> yeah. gerri: i was looking at your bio, and back in 2006, you wrote a book called "how congress is failing america," you must feel that you feel all of washington is the problem at this point. is this something that can't be fixed at this point? are we not going to come to a resolution of the fiscal cliff? you've been watching this a very long time. >> i have, and i think the tragedy of this is that there's a deal to be had, and it does not involve all that much. it involves significant pain for almost everybody, but you're not going to do it without bringing that pai
and congress have just one month to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts that really could send the economy according to some right back into a recession. we are glad you are with us on this friday, everybody, i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. president obama offering his opening bid to avoid the fiscal cliff but it's not going over well at all with republicans. house speaker john boehner saying no progress has been made in negotiations. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill now. what are the republican complaints, mike, and how are they pushing back at the president? >> reporter: senator john john cornyn who is a member of the rupp leadership says he thinks president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff by proposing higher taxes, no spending cuts and no plans to save entitlements. with president obama going to pennsylvania today, the house republican whip, kevin mccarthy's office put out a video profiling a small business nearby in pennsylvania that would get hurt by a tax hike. >> i'm jerry gorsky from an engineering company. however good or bad we do is my income. this notion of $250,
of congress -- >> -- women. >> yes. that's ironically what our economy will look like in worker bees and retirement bees. >> now and -- >> you're playing defense here tonight. don't join us as a commentary. what's the story about your party. i see it -- i get increasingly aware, as you watch this show develop over the last 18 years in different forms, i get increasingly aware there's all white people at the table. a sunday show, for example, you get a sense, there's something wrong with this picture. do republicans have that sensitivity? talmage is -- >> she mentioned rogers, the number four people -- >> what do they do? >> they hold conferences every week. they run the retreats. >> run the retreats? >> john boehner -- >> you're getting in deeper and deeper. >> they run the caucus meetings every week. she runs the caucus, decides which speakers come in. vice chair of the caucus, lynn jenkins, virginia fox -- >> what's a more important position, chairman and vice chairman of the caucus or speaker of the house -- >> or committee chair. >> any of the committees. >> caucus chairman trump
will hurt our economy and will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes. to replace the sequester, and pave way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis. and get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within en titlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year-and-a-half, i've talked to the president about many of them. you can can look at
to stimulate the economy. if we're going to pick a store, let's go to costco which is known for treating its workers better than basically any general retailer in the country. i've been covering labor for a few years for "the new york times" and a few years ago, several people were saying, you should take a look at costco. they really do remarkable job in how they treat their workers. so i went out to their headquarters in washington. i spent a day with that gentleman next to biden, mr. seni fwrks senigal, co-founder of the company. his father was a steelworker. he grew up in pittsburgh. i figured he was sympathetic to unions. he grew up catholic. he said, no, no, that's not why i treat our workers well. we're not the little sisters of the poor. he said it's good business. he said treating workers well mean they work hard for you, there's far less turnover. the typical costco worker who's been there more than a year stays on average 17 years. costco is known for having far less theft than most retailers. and he says when someone has to put the huggies on the shelf in the middle of the night
out the $800 billion? i for one, if you didn't care about the economy and you didn't care about the american people, you bet your life you can get $800 billion or trillion dollars out of raising -- eliminating deductions and tax credits. >> but conman, he kncongressman you muster all those deductions together they only amount to about $400 billion. >> i think we could do that. i think we can do it. first of all, you have to make certain that local and state tax deductions are not there. then you take away all the charitable deductions that we have. then you take away all of the mortgage deductions for the rich and the middle income, all that you have there. and then you start looking at the deductions that you have for children, for earned income tax credits, for the poor people that are there. if you really look at everything that so many americans have taken for granted and even if you don't reach the $800 billion, at least you will find out what is this man talking about. just don't say you can't do it, it's not arithmetic. give them a piece of chalk, go to the blackboard, an
they were in 1980 or 1950, the question is given the world today and the other economies do we have a competitive tax system and i think our slow going economy under president obama says we don't. >> the new york times though makes a mention of, just a sort of a passing mention in this massive article, by the way, about the need to cut spending like one or two sentences about the need-- >> and i think that milton freedman brought us, that spending is really the tax bill. it's just delayed. so, every toll the government spends eventually they're going to have to take it from someone, either in taxes or in inflation, so, this is why you're seeing a lack of business investment is because this massive spending and huge debt tells every business owner, every investor, big tax are are coming to eventually pay for this. >> what was the point of the piece? i know there's hand wringing out there, maybe the folks on the right say under obama our taxes have gone up and we may more in taxes than we've ever paid and attempt to say, we're not-- >> this is long-term by the president and his allies
. >> eric: it's not a bad call. this could be terrible for the economy and hurt jobs and businesses. but honestly, if you are ready, america, if you are ready, hold your nose, take a deep breath and take the medicine. it will fix the problem and the deficit problem as long as everything in the fiscal cliff happens. as long as sequestration happens it will hurt defense. tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and then when the economy nose dives he will have to own it. republicans are going to get blamed anyway. do you feel strong about either one of those? >> dana: not necessarily. i do think i see in "washington post," headline, obama offers
people so that we don't see taxes go up on anybody, so we can engage in tax reform and get the economy going again. we're being serious that offer yesterday was simply not serious. >> cantor was speaking antd the deal presented by treasury secretary timothy geithner. today the white house released details about that deal. in spite of republican claims of $400 billion in cuts, the deal proposed $600 billion in cuts. $350 billion in medicare savings and $350 billion to other programings next year. john boehner basically lied yesterday when he said the white house had not offered specifics. today he complained about those specifics. >> the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they are willing to cut. i mean, it's -- it was not a serious proposal. and so right now, we're almost nowhere. . >> boehner offered the republican counter to the white house plan. >> our origina
crisis. citigroup had survived with the help of two taxpayer bailouts. meanwhile the economy still missing the mark on adding jobs nationwide. employers added fewer new jobs last month and economists were opening and expecting. according to the payroll firm adp the private sector added 118,000 jobs in november. analysts had predicted a gain of 125,000. members of congress watched the attack play out in realtime at a classified briefing today on capitol hill. lawmakers say the national intelligence director showed them video of that attack that killed our u.s. ambassador to libya chris stevens and three other americans on september 11th of this year. catherine herridge live on capitol hill with more. catherine? >> well, thank you, harris. good evening. lawmakers say that this brief was constructive and that at times the videos were hard to watch. >> this was supposed to be sovereign u.s. territory and people can just come in and walk in on us like that without any kind of resistance, really makes your blood boil because you are thinking to yourself where is the security? >> to the d
they all get stung by a weak economy? probably all of that or maybe some of it. but this story is a warnng signal for politicians in the u.s. if you believe you can finance the entiement nation on e backs of the wealthy, well, think again. better of creaeating a fair tax system in which everybody has some skin in the game rather than trying to find where the money is. by the way, do you know how much money slick willie get away with in 40 years of rbing banks? just$2 million. that's what i think. now we want to know what you think. coming in e-mail. gerri@foxbusiness.com. >> coming up on "the willis report," outrage in staten island as a mb was broken promises and government bureaucracy has stifled the recovery. as a source of lost everything they work for an disgusting than big time. we get to the bottom of t. and then nfl nightmare, murd-suicide tragedy exposing huge problems within one of the biggest industri in the country. football legend ricky watters is 50 of the cystic. also, lumps of coal for america's hottest company. we are o the case next on "the willis report." gerri: been mor
economy and hurt job creation in our country. this is not good for our country. as simple as that and the president understands it. >> they're saying president needs to get in there, needs to negotiate with democrats into line if necessary. is that not happening. are you hearing congresswoman schwartz, from the president as all? >> let me say the administration is keenly interested in working with the senate and the house to get this done. the fact that the president is out and sulactually out in my district on friday morning talking to people what about is at stake for this country, for their families and the nation is something very important for him to be doing. always engaging the voters, the public is an important thing to do. and at the same time we should be and are having broad discussions about how we move forward. what we really need is we need republican leadership. just quoted them, mitch mcconnell and john boehner, to actually be sitting down and saying, look, there are places where we do agree. let's start where we agree. let's begin to have that discussion.
that exploded in the open. saying that it reads like a democratic wish-list and could plunge the economy back into recession. oh joy. welcome here. i'm bill hemmer. live in "america's newsroom.". martha: good morning, bill. bill: we'll find the silver lining in this, aren't we? martha: we are. bill: that is our quest. martha: i'm martha maccallum. here are the basics when they put forth through tim geithner yesterday from the president. 1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is the opening part of the deal. 50 billion in new stimulus spending. we already had a lot of backlash in stimulus in previous packages. this is interesting element here. new executive power to raise the debt limit. that is what caused so many of these discussions because they bump up against the debt limit and not be able to go back this. there is executive power plea to be able to do that without going back to confess. republicans are saying where is the balance? where is the spending cut side of the equation. the president said he wanted it to be a balanced deal. watch. melissa: so right now all eyes are on the white house. t
know, kick into place that can plunge the economy back into recession. and you have the house speaker saying this white house proposal, the one he received just a matter of days ago, isn't even serious. gloria borger, our chief political analyst, let me bring you in here. one of the questions is does it seem to you that the president feels as though he has some leverage here? he won the election, right? >> he did. >> maybe that accounts for what's in his proposal. >> yeah. this is clearly a different president obama than the one we saw during the debt ceiling negotiations or even after the midterm elections in 2010 when he felt a little weakened and there was the extension of those bush tax cuts for the wealthy. so i think when you're seeing here is a president who put this on the table, trying to please his base, okay? which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a d
economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i have just never seen anything like it. >> yes, indeed, it seems that republicans are not quite sure what to make of the president taking a harder line across the bargaining table. >> you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. the president's plan is just, quite frankly, a joke. >> i'm not sure about that, senator graham, but there will be plenty of time for jokes later this evening with every member of congress invited to the white house for what may be the most awkward holiday party of the year. i want to bring in nbc's luke russert now for the latest on capitol hill. luke, what can you tell us about the r
's going quickly enough, we still need to goose the economy some. and the republicans are flabbergasted that he's not already making concessions and all he's asking for is okay guys, you say we don't have to raise the top rate, show me how you're going to do it with all these deductions many of which by the way are popular. you want more medicare cuts show me what you want and i think this is a perfectly normal negotiation and i was thinking on the way here, chris, you and i have an advantage in this. you and i covered albany, new york on the state legislature there, where you had a divided legislature, unbelievably contorted by budget fights and in the end they usually made a deal. it was complicated, sometimes it was ugly but they got to a deal. >> but they often got to it very late as you'll recall and state workers didn't get paychecks. >> this did happen. but they got there. and i ambiting more on a deal than not. i think there are some compromise points, for example, raise the top rate almost to where obama wants it and fill it in a little bit with some reduction in deductions. th
climate deal that could have an impact on our economy. talks are going on about a climate treaty that could supersede current u.s. laws in some ways and impose mandatory limits on carbon emissions. president obama failed to get a cap-and-trade will pass in his first term. is he quietly planning a new carbon crackdown through other means? joining me now is lou dobbs, host of "lou dobbs tonight" on the fox business network. that was one agenda item he could not get through. cap and trade. even when the democrats controlled the house as well, they just couldn't get that through. what would he be doing through the united nations and he could do through the u.s. congress? lou: the efforts that he is undertaking here, so little is known about what we are discussing in qatar, at the meeting of the united nations we are talking about laying out a mission schedule through 2035. without any public discussion, there is nothing about it than a presidential debate, as you know. this could have a mammoth effect on this economy. we are talking about tax levels and also significant pressure on t
, in the third quarter, the u.s. economy expanded at an annual rate of 2.7%. and that's better than the original 2% even that was reported a couple of weeks ago and last week, there were 393,000 new claims for jobless benefits and down from the previous week, but you're still very close to the 400,000 per week mark and that's a sign of weakness, albeit, come of that clearly from the storm, that's still not a healthy vigorous rebound, is it? trading has begun this thursday morning. we're expecting the dow to go up 50, 60 points and that's in part because of the fiscal cliff debate and looks like the president won taxes now, promises of entitlement reform later and don't care about the debt. the market kind of likes that, because the money keeps flowing. in the first part of business, we're flat, i thought more than that, we're up 2, 10 points and going up from here, at least in the early going. now, we've got another big name that you know #, trying to help shareholders avoid higher taxes next year, it's disney and increased the cash dividend by 25% and paying it this year. nicole, what happens t
, congress realized that if they couldn't compromise on a deficit and revenue plan, our economy would crash. turns out they couldn't compromise. so here's what they did. in order to force themselves to work together and compromise, they concocted a catastrophic penalty that would itself crash our economy. brilliant. put it another way. if there is an asteroid headed towards the earth, we made it and fired it at ourselves. because otherwise we would never have done the hard work required to protect ourselves from asteroids. >> good morning. it's friday, november 30th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc political analyst and vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com, richard wolffe is here. >> he's here? >> my lord. right here on the set. political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> hi. >> cute thing. and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu and former democratic congressman harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> he's reading. >> put that down right now. put the smut down. close it up. >> i'm l
and bigger government regardless of the impact on jobs and economy and america's standing in the world. >> gretchen: who could the fiscal cliff jumpers be. matt is editor in chief of the washington weekend. he's my guest. good morning. >> good morning. >> gretchen: who wants to go off of the cliff and die. >> buckle your seat. important senator is patti murray in charge of the democrat campaign committee. she got put in the position thinking it was not a good year for democrats and she turned into one. that gave her clout in the democratic caucus. when she gave a speech saying we could make a more liberal deal if we go off the cliff democrats started listening. >> gretchen: senator harry reid want to go off the cliff. >> he's playing the double game. he want to look like a deal make yer support the president. but so many democrats have a strange idea of compromise. it is all right. give me everything and i will do nothing. what we are seeing from the democrats, republicans you cave on taxs and revenue and we'll not cut entitlements at all. that is not a good deal and suggests that more
on with speaker boehner? he went off his own cliff today. we'll tell you why he's ready to hold the economy hostage again. >>> and what's really behind john mccain's relentless and baseless attack on susan rice? former governor of new mexico and ambassador to the u.n., bill richardson, joins us live. >>> plus, remember this guy with the romney tattoo? he might just be the smartest man in the republican party today. >>> and we'll tell you what joe biden bought at costco today. you'll love this video. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >>> this is interesting. president obama is going to have lunch with mitt romney and you thought you had an awkward meal with your family on thanks giving. what i don't get is he said nobody should get a free lunch and now he's going to the white house to have a free lunch. [ male announcer ] with 160 more miles per tank, the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] while you're
rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue. >> in order for us to raise the amount of revenue that's needed just by closing deductions and loopholes for high earners we'd have to, for example, eliminate or severely cap the char itible deduction. >> an obsession to raise taxes not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. >> and meantime, "the new york times" jonathan wiseman reports behind the scene republican leaders are considering the president's plan to extend middle class tax cuts now an address the debt and spending in the new year. here's republican senator tom coburn on "morning joe." >> actually, i would rather see the rates go up than the other way and greater chance to broaden the base in the future. >> do something, a down payment on cuts, on investments and revenue this year. and then in the next year take the time to go over what we would do with real revenue reform. you can't do in it a m
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